democrat
Key Master
He looks to obtain $50 billion for emergency assistance for state and local governments to defend against massive educator layoffs.
democrat
Key Master
Possible. But the point here is whether or not this spending should be considered legitimate to help assist our secondary education system. Balanced budget is one notion, but helping to save our kids educations is another. To me, thats a tough call considering our need for fiscal conservation and higher education for our sons and daughters.
ksu_aviator
Member
Why is it that the only option is balance the budget or fund education? We have a whole host of programs that are not Constitutionally mandated that can be reduced or eliminated. Let's defund HCR, Medicare/Medicaid/SCHIP and see if that doesn't help with funding education.
Cookie Parker
Member
If that constitution were amended to require a balanced budget, Bush would have been impeached. Besides, the republicans controlled the congress from 1994 - 2008 (with 2007 and 2008 having power to prevent an override to all the bills the democrats tried to pass which Bush vetoed). They set the record for ear marks and gave the American people a $13 trillion debt.
glen65
Member
You don’t “inherit” a setback from the last president. Setbacks happen after the new president has taken office, and a new event occurs as the result of current decisions made by this president, which would then impede his planed progress. Obama already knew full well what he was receiving from the last administration because his campaign focused around the events at the time and how he wanted to handle them.
rightandleft
Member
@glen65 - "Obama already knew full well what he was receiving from the last administration" So you agree he had much on his plate coming into office. While 'setback' may have been a feeble choice of words I'm certain you must have understood the point or just felt like nitpicking. I suppose if you want to be technical the GOP and Right wingers have provided certain setbacks in his current administration in terms of Health Care etc. Then again, so has the left...
Cookie Parker
Member
Of course Obama inherited the failed economic policies of Bush and the republicans who CREATED those failed policies from 1994 - 2008.
The tax cuts for the rich don't expire until December this year..that's a loss of over $2.3 trillion from the treasury to pay off debts and to use to lower annual deficits. Bush gave us the unfunded MEdicare Advantage which pays out over $1.3 trillion each year to private insurance companies. Bush gave us two wars and didn't include their cost in the annual budgets...and he bailed out insurances and banks. You can't put any of that on Obama. IN addition, Bush created over 250 Free Trade Agreements, and removed more good paying factory jobs and IT jobs from this nation than any president before...AND he caused the collapse of the economy which began in 2005.....he ignored all warnings and went on full speed ahead to daddy's New World Order.
glen65
Member
Quote from Cookie Parker:
“Republicans still had the power to prevent the democrats from overriding the bills Bush vetoed..and he vetoed many of them.”
“Of course Obama inherited the failed economic policies of Bush and the republicans who CREATED those failed policies from 1994 - 2008.”
Now you are shifting in an attempt to cover your rear from
the earlier post where you managed to distort facts.
Earlier you said this…..
“the republicans controlled the congress from 1994 - 2008 (with 2007 and 2008 having power to prevent an override to all the bills the democrats tried to pass which Bush vetoed”
After 2006 the Republicans in congress were in no position to
do much of anything, they simple didn’t and still don’t have
the numbers.
glen65
Member
Quote from rightandleft:
"So you agree he had much on his plate coming into office."
Him and many other presidents before him.
He campaigned claiming how big the mess is and
that he was the man for the job. You don’t run around
making this claim then when things don’t go well try
to release yourself from responsibility by passing the
buck on the prior administration. If he can’t handle the job
then he needs to be replaced with someone who can.
rightandleft
Member
@glen65 - They all campaigned claiming they were the man for the job. It is possible that he could be actually doing the best job that could be expected given the circumstances. He hasn't just started casting off blame to previous administrations he has made it clear from the beginning it wouldn't be easy and that there is a mountain to climb, so to speak.
If you don't think there is any ramifications from the previous administration that warrants more than a years worth of effort, I believe that you are severely misguided. While I don't agree with a lot his administration has done (Afghanistan etc) I don't chastise the man or his administraiton because of his efforts thus far. What else could be expected? He did have a plan but when the Right literally is defying his every move and the Left and Right alike are only out to win the midterms, who could seriously pass their agenda? He's been conceding since he stepped in office to appease the 'party of no' (trying to not to be too cliche).
I know it is very easy to hate at this current economic blunder of a situation, but I still am unconvinced that it is completely or even mostly his administrations fault or that they aren't trying to be proactive about it.
(I am enjoying our debate, thanks for following up).
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